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Supervisors: an advantage or disadvantage?
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I like my supervisors, they are really nice people but I don't rate them that highly as supervisors. I do believe I'd have enjoyed the PhD experience more without having to wait on them, do their topic and I don't really think I've learned anything from them. Actually, I think had I been allowed to study my own interests but without supervisors I'd have learned more and possibly even be finished by now.

How far in advance did you file your intention to submit?
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Thanks all, you've been very helpful. I think my stress levels could rise sharply if I complete that form but I'll give it serious thought.

KB, I truly believe you'll do very well on all fronts because you are so enthused by your topic and have worked hard. Wishing you all the best!

How far in advance did you file your intention to submit?
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I'd love that as it has to be done and the sooner the better!:-)

How far in advance did you file your intention to submit?
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BilboBaggins, How long was it between your submission and Viva? I'd like to go into 2012 a free person, if possible.

How far in advance did you file your intention to submit?
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Hi Ady,

I know I could do it and knowing I've a clear goal to focus on would push me even more. It's my supervisors, they are lovely but absolutely terrible at giving timely feedback (took me 18 months to get my first feedback). If I believe they would go through the results in fine detail I'd even be content if they didn't have time to comment on the rest (but they want to). I don't want to get on the wrong side of them because although they've shown no interest in my future I do think they like me and would give me a good reference.

I'm keen to move on and although they say the right things, sometimes they talk the talk but don't walk the walk!

How far in advance did you file your intention to submit?
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I've still the discussion (about 12,000 words), biblography, editing, proofreading, formatting etc My supervisors have read some of my chapters and haven't flagged up any major problems. They obviously haven't read a full draft and so I don't know what, if any problems, that will throw up. A major problem I've had is getting feedback. I'm tempted to file a form now as it will help focus my attention and get me working more and my hope is it will move my supervisors into action.

Given what I've said above, what are your thoughts, opinions?

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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No problem Beajay. Even before your last post I could see your point and did and do feel for you. My respect goes to anyone who undertakes a PhD but I admire even more those who self-fund as that requires putting a lot on the line and holds no guarantees. As it happens the last line of my initial post does sound selfish as I was fortunate to get funding and so I fully understand your frustration.



Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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Quote From ady:
Maybe the title of the thread stirred things up a bit. What about "Sorry but it is not always true..." might sit better with a wider audience?

That's what I meant to put - thanks Ady!

Ady, you can only keep trying. We are in really, really difficult times and so we are competing against many for jobs. Certainly more than we would normally expect.

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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I didn’t mean to come across as bragging nor was I attempting to put down others. I genuinely feel for people who self-fund as it makes a difficult path much more stressful I would imagine. Having looked at the job market over the last three years I do feel a real sense of relief that I didn’t self-fund as I’d be even more despairing now than three years ago.

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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Quote From Mackem_Beefy:

Actually, the irony here is the detachment you felt probably got you through without the stresses that many of us put ourselves through.  You were able to walk away, put it to the back of your mind and not find yourself stressing about it, say, when in the middle of a night out with your mates!!!


Spot on!

I have stacks of voluntary work on my CV, had applied for many different types of jobs but with no success (I'm reluctant to keep moving and so limit myself to certain locations and there is another reason which I can't go into as to why I find it difficult to secure employment and no I don't have a criminal record).

It may be helpful if I place my post in context. I always wanted to do a PhD but in a certain area. It is an area where research is needed (I was able to evidence this in a proposal). Year after year I kept try to secure funding and a supervisor (I could never get both together) and was always told to keep trying as it would happen eventually. I would never fund a PhD as I funded an expensive masters and didn't get the return I expected on the investment (it actually put people off employing me as I appeared over qualified) and hence the debt.

Anyway, one year I thought I'd cracked it and got funding and a supervisor. Sadly, and after some investigation on my part, it became clear I wasn't going to get funding but the department I applied to do the PhD with wouldn't officially confirm this. I still don't know why. Anyhow, that potential supervisor was fantastic and put me on the right track. They advised me to do a funded PhD (they pointed out the advantages and disadvantages of self-funding and in line with my own thoughts tried to steer me away from self-funding) and I indicated that I had been offered a funded PhD in another area which was of little interest and I certainly had no passion for. I was advised to grab it, get my head down and complete it. I expressed concern that I would be defined by this PhD and they made the point that times had changed and this was no longer the case as people very often move on to pursue other research interests. They also made a good point that it would be a move in the right direction and I would be working towards something as opposed to doing nothing. In my opinion, this person talked complete sense. Others had kept wishing me well and telling me to keep on trying, indicating that a PhD was hard work but I clearly had a passion for my topic and this would be win through eventually.

The point I'm making is you don't necessarily need passion to complete a PhD. I think you do need to have a reason for doing a PhD and need to be prepared to work very hard. I just wish I'd had that talk with the potential supervisor a few years earlier as listening to others saying passion is necessary in order to see you though was, looking back, not helpful to me. I delayed doing a PhD on the back of it because I thought I wouldn’t be able to stick it out because I wouldn’t have the ‘passion’ for it.

We are all different as are our experiences. Some people will only be able to stick with a PhD because of their overall passion for the topic. For me, it vastly improved my quality of life and I’m not as deeply distressed as I was three years ago due to debt and unemployment. The point I really would like to make is I wouldn’t like someone to turn down a funded PhD opportunity because they think they’ll eventually get a funded PhD in their area as it may never happen. Sometimes, with the best of intentions, I read posts on here advising people not to do a PhD unless they have a passion for the topic. I believe, for the most part, that the characteristics of the person doing the PhD will determine its success or failure. Again, it’s not cut and dried as supervisors do have a role to play.

To be continued...

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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Buzzy, I'm sorry to read that, please look after yourself.

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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P.S. You might like to do some research and go through my previous posts and you'll hopefully find that I'm very compassionate.

Sorry but it just isn't true!!!
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[quote]Quote From beajay:
I sold everything I had to self-fund my PhD because I was so passionate about the work. I am now totally skint[quote]

Beajay, I admire you for the choice you made and am sincerely sorry it did not work out for you. I paid a lot for a masters and got little in return and not for the want of trying and it was because I got my fingers burned at that stage that I would never fund a PhD. We live and learn but sometimes it can be costly!!!

I do hope your work continues to be well received.

Well this is it.......last few days (eek)
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It is well known that support from others is helpful in times of stress - you have my support. All good wishes and just think this time next week you'll not be as nervous!

Need to vent
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Just reading your post and have nothing constructive to add but just to say your supervisor should never had said that to you in the company of others and it is only his opinion. It could be the project for you, it may not be the project best suited to your skills but only you know. I can say if you really want to complete a PhD it is not a matter of intelligence it's just down to hard graft, motivation and perservance and if you have these you can complete a PhD. Please don't doubt yourself or your abilities based on the comments of one person.

I do feel for you but chin up as you've got this far and that says something very positive about you!