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Mud,
You've done well to find a second supervisor, well done. No go forward with that new, supportive supervisor and get that PhD!!!. I am now 100% positive you will succeed.
My original answer I now consider to be wrong, as given the positive, constructive response of Pjlu it now looks out of place. Pjlu's advice helped you go forward with the thing you most want, you PhD (and it's clear you really wanted to stick with it reading back now - that I call determination). Pjlu, thanks for showing that there is a more supportive, positive way of going forward and can I say your response has also changed my own opinions.
The moral before resorting to 'other' means should be to do your best to go forward with your original plan and to make every effort to go forward if you really want something bad enough. Mud, you have managed that and perhaps during my post-doc problems I should have done the same. There was an alternative project leader and I just didn't think to approach her. If I had, my original career plan may have been intact and I might not have been ruing what might have been.
It appears there are lessons to be learned and I simply forgot one of the rules of PhD and post-doc research. Sometimes, it's more productive to think outside the norm. Pjlu, thanks also. (up)
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I encountered similar to you in my second post-doc period at a different University. As I've said elsewhere, I was considering action against them for harassment, however, the old story of Universities closing ranks to minimise damage made that option seem pointless (though I know better now). He had previous, but the person who raised the complaint had to withdraw her case. I nearly turned down the job as a result of that case and wished I had.
My direct mentor was erratic in her behaviour and temperament to say the least and my actual boss (a senior, "renowned" Professor) had swings of mood that made those that had to deal with him not want to see him when they had to. The office staff had got the knack of spotting who had to see the Prof down to a fine art (look of fear). Neither was approachable and that in itself caused alot of problems.
Two main incidents stand out. One not knowing how to answer a question with an outside party and getting bollocked for it. Whilst my actions at the time were incorrect, I had not been given certain information by my mentor beforehand. The second was the Prof bollocking a workshop lad doing a job for me over something he claimed he'd asked a week before. He hadn't and the result was a blazing row. He tried later to denigrate the workshop lads privately to me later, unaware that one of them was a mate of my dad's. That time I kicked back and said pretty forthrightly we needed to keep the workshop lads on side. Other incidents included being accused of not doing work I had done (being told to write a report about a report did seem strange) and also my reporting of equipment damage (and I admitted I'd had an accident) mysteriously vanishing at the hands of my mentor.
My mentor also took over a paper I was preparing. I was relegated to minor author, even though I'd done almost all of the work.
I did fight back towards the end when it was clear there were going to be no references (just a sheet of paper from Human Resources confirming my duties; my good previous track record - real world & academia - was badly blotted by this one year contract, leading to a year on the dole), however, it was too little, too late. Even as a bloke I can even relate to breaking down and crying, the situation got that unbearable.
I can't offer an easy answer due to the problem of Universities closing rank. I can really only offer general advice: keep a diary of events (which my log book became) to use should a case or formal complaint be possible. You should also keep any evidence of anything untoward. Such information could be used as evidence at an Industrial Tribunal or internal grievance committee meeting, and the University may in it's haste to protect it's image may decide the said person in your case is themselves a liability. However, that person may be 'moved on' for medical reasons or retired early (depending on age) to avoid the stigma of a sacking.
It does sound like by their isolation of you (same with me) they're trying to make you decide to go away, another trick I've seen used (I saw a Maths lecturer relieved of lecturing duties leaving him to sit in an empty office checking his e-mails - he went of his own accord after nine months). This again saves the publicity aware University the uncomfortable decision of forcing you out. Clearly, they've taken a dislike to you and perhaps you should not go quietly. I'm at a loss to see how you can successfully complete your PhD, so cutting your losses, making a complaint and being as noisy as possible on the way out (including threats of industrial tribunal) may be the way to go. I was told later by an employment advisor that I should have talked to ACAS. You may wish to do the same (or talk to your solicitor) and they could possibly help you as regards what action you can take.
I was always under the impression that writing in the first person for fact-based discussions (theses, papers, reports) was considered unprofessional. Back at M.Sc., my supervisor said it was becoming okay to write in the first person, however, I decided against.
The subject was never broached when it came to Ph.D. sometime later. I've seen it the odd time and whilst it doesn't really bother me, it does seem strange and I'm not 100% comfortable with it.
First person writing to me is for stories and novels, where you're trying to identify with a character.
I can't find it on Ethos, however, it's on what seems to be the Hong Kong University website.
http://sunzi.lib.hku.hk/ER/detail/hkul/2984639
You have to have an ID to access it. Alternatively, you could get your library to contact them to get hold of it.
Questions:
1) Was the Uni. offering the PhD or is this one proposed by yourself?
2) Are you resident in the UK and how long have you been resident for?
3) If the Uni. was offering the PhD and you have been resident in the UK for long enough, why have the Uni. not looked to one of the UK funding bodies?
If you're not a UK resident or you've proposed the project yourself, you are likely to have to find your own money or funding. You might have some luck getting money from you home country if you can sell the project to them. If USA, you might investigate the possibility of a Federal Government loan, but I'm not sure how that would work.
I re-read little bits a few years down the road after passing (I'm not sad enough to go right through the whole thing). I escaped with three minor typo corrections.
I'm even more of the believe now that my examiners should have sent me packing with significant corrections to resubmit after six months minus the need for a second viva, simply to get the typos flushed out. I actually said at the end of viva when asked, what sort of time frame I needed and I said about three months to flush out the remianing typos. External listed the typos she'd spotted and all but said "That's it, I'm out of here, do the typos and hardbind within the month." Far be it from me to argue and 10 days later I offloaded it.
I must have prepared okay as the viva was all very straight forward. Although the viva was four hours, I knew the way it was going I was through after 20 minutes. She was seriously into the subject, hence the length of time and only one apparently difficult question. My primary supervisor dove in, not realising I'd actually prepared for that question. I'd actually prepared for and been told to expect a kicking.
I'll keep my answer brief as I've tons of work to do.
Looking at the above, I think you already know the answer to the question. A PhD is a hell of an undertaking and if your heart is not in it at this stage, it's mebbies time to call it a day as you've a long way ahead of you.
However, you need a job to go into. I'd thus start applying for jobs whilst continuing (you need to live on something and the bursary / grant is better than nothing) avoiding the bad image of quitting and being unemployed whilst looking. If you find a job, quit at that stage. If you don't find a job, then continue if you can unless you really feel you can't continue.
I had a year unemployed after post-doc, hence the caution in my answer (don't just quit) and it's easier to find alternatives whilst economically active so to speak (not the right words, but the nearest I can think of).
I didn't go straight into PhD after degree / masters. I needed a break between and I made it clear to my Masters supervisor, the thought of launching into a PhD straight after Masters just appauled me.
It may be you're not interested in the subject or you launched in without a break that many need. Or simply, you don't want to do a PhD!!! Perhaps you're more target focussed, in which case the real world is where you need to be. A PhD is this intangible at some point in the future, a situation that doesn't suit some people who like clear deliverables.
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