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Is a PhD worth it for me?
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Quote From pm133:


Could it be that you are not particularly good at selling yourself to industry?
I know its a cheeky question but I ask because you clearly dont believe your PhD skills are worth anything in industry. If that is your mindset I would pretty much guess an employer will see that in your body language.
The reality is that industry is full of PhD grads many of whom are going straight in at senior level. I personally know of dozens of them.


I haven't tried applying for industrial jobs, I'm talking about other types of non-academic jobs. I guess I don't know that much industry, but in my head the type of jobs open to me would be bench work, which I'm not really interested in doing full time, or jobs leading to supervising other people doing bench work, which doesn't seem a whole lot different to academia. Plus, i don't think there's much around where I live anyway and I don't want to move. I think my skills would be valued if I wanted to work in industry.

PhD with a 2:2 (help!)
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Usually requirements are 2.1 or a masters, so you should be fine.

Is a PhD worth it for me?
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Quote From robinwestwales:


I think one has to be prepared to start at the bottom of any sector. Some sectors value the PhD, but want to see suggested ability tested before promotion



Yes, exactly, but the problem is it's really hard to start at the bottom. I really struggle with that after having worked in senior roles before my PhD and then feeling like I've achieved something during my PhD, to then be back at square one again. It's like what's the point of me telling people in my CV, references and during interview what I can do, but then I have to prove it all over again if I'm lucky enough to get a job?

I'm just not in a place mentally where I feel like I should starting at the bottom; it's patronising and belittling. Hats off to those that can.

Definitely more needs to be in a PhD to focus on giving it real life applicability.

Why did you leave/are considering leaving academia?
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Quote From helebon:


Supervisors who bully are they more likely to respect those (PhD students etc) that have had human rights training? and the supervisor is aware they have had this training.


This isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference. Bullys don't sit there and ponder the consequences. They either know it's wrong but can't stop themselves or are too arrogant to know what they are doing is wrong. It seems to be the latter in academia.

Is a PhD worth it for me?
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Have attempted to job seek outside of academia, my take on it is that a PhD isn't worth a damn when it comes to "experience". Employers couldn't have cared less about those so-called transferable skills from my PhD. The reason I was getting interviews was based on job skills from 5 years ago. Every time I gave an example of something from my PhD in an interview, they were dismissive and asked for a work example. And to be fair, my work examples are far superior than anything my PhD could offer.

I think as PhD students, we are led to believe we are fantastic and there's so much opportunity out there for us. I don't believe this to be true. Employers either don't understand the true nature of a PhD ("it's just another degree") or don't value the skills it confers. I think it's a hindrance to getting many jobs outside of academia.

This is one of the main reasons I want to stick in academia: at least someone values my ability and wants to pay me well for it.

Why did you leave/are considering leaving academia?
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Agree with everything pm133 said... but there's still no job I would rather be doing :P

Under pressure! Need some encouragement
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Yes, 12 hours a day is not sustainable for long. Many of us do it in our 4th years (and it's really, really hard) but you don't want to be doing it in your first year.

Morgan
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Quote From BonsaiClouds:
It really does suck to work so hard on something and to not get what you hoped for, but sometimes it happens and you have to roll with it. An MPhil is nothing to sniff at, anyway.



Yes but there's also other things to consider, such as that sometimes incorrect decisions are made. There are people on here who have successfully challenged their PhD result and won - some of these went to court. Use the search bar at the top of the forum to try and find these topic threads.

There's also the fact that some international students have to pay back their funding if they don't get the PhD and this can be £150k or more.

So it's not as simple as an MPhil is still a good degree. It may be, but it wasn't the objective, so no one is going to be happy with it.

Masters dissertation query
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Why don't you send over the bits you've done and then ask for specific feedback? Highlight bits you're unsure about and ask them to focus on that. You're right, the closer you get to the deadline, the less likely they are to give you a lot of feedback because they know you won't have much more time to make the changes so there is no point.

Examiners now wanting corrections different to what originally stated in revise/resubmit.
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That's allowed for a revise and resubmit. It's quite normal to have further corrections, you just need to make these.

I don't think you have a valid reason to change examiners at this stage.

Time to complete program?
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I don't think it will make any difference how long you take. In the UK, people seem to be pretty understanding about people taking career breaks for kids etc so I don't see why it would be problem if you took longer to finish because you wanted a family life too.

You've already got experience in teaching, so that will help when finding a job afterwards. I don't think being funded or not helps in job applications. I've never heard anyone discuss this as a good or a bad thing (in biology, although most people are either funded by a research council, the university or are funded international students). Successfully applying for and getting your own funding obviously makes a difference, but I'm not talking about that.

Here's why your supervisor is terrible:
Is R&R experience a bomb for potential employer in academia?
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I agree with bewildered.

How do you keep notes on your PhD learning?
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I think most people are a bit like you Tutor - I don't know anyone who has made notes throughout their PhD. Most people in my field keep detailed lab books of experiments, data on spreadsheets and then just keep a pile of paper (physical or online) with maybe a few notes or highlights on these.

My strategy was to read when designing experiments, to make sure I considered the parameters and controls carefully, and then read when writing up. This is how I have learnt to work. I agree though, I am still more familiar with a lot of my undergraduate stuff than I am with my PhD stuff, because I revised it for exams, but I've never done that with my PhD reading, so I'm not going to remember it in the same way. Now if I need something, I just search for it in my papers in Mendeley, so it doesn't really matter if I can remember it in detail or not. I don't think taking the same undergraduate approach would be helpful, because there is just so much more you need to know at PhD level, you can't possibly remember it all in detail.

I also agree with Pjlu though, anything I wrote about in my thesis I'm still very familiar with due to the countless revisions required as I was researching and writing it. And you definitely get to stage where you know the literature better that your supervisors do and can make better suggestions that they can.

Post-PhD Jobs
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Also see this for all fields, but US data for 2015:

https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17306/static/report/nsf17306.pdf