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Signup date: 02 Nov 2009 at 7:06pm

Last login: 20 Feb 2011 at 12:26am

Post count: 456

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Moderator? Reason?

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

I've just skimmed through the last few pages and can't find a single sentence where I've reflected on a person's character.

'Stressed' on the other hand: -

"You come across as a bigotted, high brow, morally 'superior' (and I don't mean that in a good way) sort of person."
"you really do come across as rather immature and ignorant."
"less of the flippancy, rudeness and ignorance."

All I've done is state my views with characteristic conviction, which clearly winds up some people, though that's not my problem.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From stressed:

Clever Clogs, if you wish to engage in debate, then I'd suggest that you do just that and stop the flippant remarks on each post - you really do come across as rather immature and ignorant. You have only recently joined us, I'd suggest that rather than insulting established members of the community and making silly comments you engage with us and debate properly.

We are all intelligent, deep thinking people, and enjoy a good debate that doesn't become personal - however there is little that annoys certainly myself, and I know several others here - than people who come on and simply say 'yeh but, no but'.

You are not 'winning' - debates aren't 'won', they are engaged in and well all learn from them. Please can you enlighten us further with reasoned debate and less of the flippancy, rudeness and ignorance. As a spiritually educated person I'm certain that you can manage that?

Go look through this thread and see who has been making personal remarks. I won't attach any regard to any post here which reflects on my character.

Magictime I hear the voice of reason and will reply later.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From nadia:

Quote From cleverclogs:

Quote From phdbug:

Guys, is there any point in arguing with this person? I have suddenly lost interest because of the sheer absence of any argument from their side. Perhaps let's truly just let this drop and let them be, in the world.
I wonder if CC is a man or a woman...

Blatant ad populum.

Not quite, no. You're either overdoing it or over-interpreting things. Bear with me.

As some have rightly pointed out, you do not contribute to a debate at all - you state irrelevant things and focus on the (few) posts addressed directly to YOU and that YOU can tag some Latin unto and accuse of fallacy - you seem to like this by the way... so let's look at it more closely:

Argumentum ad hominem: where did you see that happen? Asking you where yourself and your views come from has been (as far as I see) mainly done in an attempt to widen the grounds of the debate. Most importantly, being the object of an ad hominem does not mean you "win" the debate. First, debate is not about "winning" or "losing", and second, there are dozens of posts that do not imply you as a person that you have simply ignored in your answers, as pointed out before (- ignoratio elenchi, perhaps, by the way?).

Straw man fallacy for Moonblue's post: if you feel you can accuse Moonblue of straw man fallacy (which I don't think is the case), you have to recognize the exact same goes for yours. Seriously, that one is blatant.

Argumentum ad populum: certainly not in Phdbug's post. You surely know that argumentum ad populum means that one assumes that because the majority agrees on something, then that something is true. Phdbug does nothing of the like. The post only states a personal opinion and asks the rest of us a question. Whether the question is rhetorical, I do not know - joys of written communication. Even if it was, it'd simply make it another personal opinion.

I can think of at least one instance of argumentum ad verecundiam in your posts on this topic - you might be pleased to know! And also, I'm not sure, but there must be a name for the process of trying to dismiss the arguments of others by means of using foreign languages? Reading your posts, I cannot bring myself to think it could be sheer pedantry...

Imitation is the finest form of flattery. Back to the debate?

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From phdbug:

Guys, is there any point in arguing with this person? I have suddenly lost interest because of the sheer absence of any argument from their side. Perhaps let's truly just let this drop and let them be, in the world.
I wonder if CC is a man or a woman...

Blatant ad populum.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From Ilsa:

I don't agree. Being a sex worker is a choice; being a victim of racism or sexism is not.

Being a sex worker denies the nobility of the human station, as does prejudice based on race or gender.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From stressed:

I don't like the concept of prostitution, but I accept that it has been around forever, will be around forever, and has very little to do with the perceived degradation of society.

I suggest it won't be around forever, because...

Quote From stressed:

Being a historian studying just this kind of topic I can see that in truth our world now is significantly LESS degraded than it has ever been, thus I find the argument confusing and lacking direction.

... because of this pattern of the world developing and putting away old practices. I envision a future where mankind looks back on the 'sex trade' with the same contempt that many of us today view racialism, sexism, and the like.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Sleepyhead... I'm from the UK.

Quote From moonblue:

Of course, Your Moral Highness.
(I really have no intention of getting drawn into this 'debate'. As you have already said that you are 'winning' it, I don't see any point. You are clearly not interested in a proper debate.)

I'm not interested in a proper debate? You posted twice, the first was a straw man fallacy and the second ad hominem. I've expressed my views clearly.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From moonblue:

Maybe, just maybe, the rest of us will reach your level of moral and spritual education one day. I guess there's hope yet.

Blatant straw man fallacy.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From magictime:

Cleverclogs - of "animal nature vs. spiritual nature" fame - is a biologist?! Priceless.

If you observe the matter fairly you'd acknowledge that 90% of the posts on this forum are spiritual in nature. Every PhD student who posts a thread about how their egomaniac, rude supervisor is making them miserable is actually saying "my supervisor lacks a spiritual education, for if they did, they would be more courteous, polite, kind, and have a more pleasant character".

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

I'm quite happy to put forward views contrary to the status quo. I need only look at the disintegration of the world around me to know there must be ignorant people willing to defend its decadent standards.

Also, you may want to look up the definition of ad hominem to understand why I'm winning this debate.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From Melsie:

Quite frankly, the paper looks to be just as bullshit as your argument...

If you think prostitution should be legalized go take it up with your local MP.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Ruby, I'm a biologist -- roughly in the same field as "Belle de jour" herself. I just found her comment "I stand by it all with pride" as inexcusable as her voluntary descent into prostitution.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

From a government paper 'Paying the Price, a consultation paper on prostitution, has been published to prompt a public debate on how to deal with the issues raised by prostitution in England and Wales'

What problems are caused by the existence of a sex ‘trade’?

2.17 Prostitution makes victims of many of those involved in it, and of those communities in which it takes place.
Key concerns include:
-the nuisance caused to neighbourhoods through noise, litter and harassment
-the impact on the neighbourhood in terms of undermining economic regeneration
-and neighbourhood renewal
-the advertising of prostitution, particularly through soliciting on the street and
-the use of prostitutes’ cards
-the spread of sexually and drug transmitted infections
-increasing use of the internet as a grooming/advertising medium
-links with drug abuse / markets
-links with criminality, including robbery
-related violence, including serious assaults against those involved in prostitution
-the increasing stigmatisation and social exclusion of those involved in prostitution
-the abuse of children through prostitution
-the impact on their families
-people trafficking for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation
-the effect on the attitudes of men to women, and on gender equality more generally.

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cleverclogs 456 posts
15 years ago

Quote From phdbug:

What is the title of this table please? Source also?

Cleverclogs, goodbye.

If it weren't for the likes of you, argumentation of the fruitful kind would have missed a damn good reason to exist.

What you have completely failed to grasp, is the sheer danger latent in the moral stance you propose. A danger, to those who walk off the beaten track, to minorities of many kinds, to alternative voices, marginalised groups, and yes, to society at large.

I shall not contribute one more word on this thread.

If I'm so wrong then why is prostitution illegal? Why are government ministers and police in this country constantly working to eradicate both the demand for, and provision of, prostitution?

Here you can learn about the government policy: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/prostitution/ . If you envision a society where prostitution is condoned then you are in the minority.

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