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In most other countries you have no minor/major corrections. You submitted your thesis, defend it in public and pass or fail. Maybe that is the reason why you call it viva in the UK and not PhD defense like most other countries :) I also think it's strange. Never heard of that process before I found this forum.
I think you can't really negotiate. A thesis usually has to have a certain structure. I would just change it in that way and then publish the other version as a book. If you negotiate that examiner might get even more pissed. I would just do it and get rid of it ;)
I'm German and already read the article ;) It is definitely a step in the right direction. Personally, I think the funding should be sufficient to finance 4 years of Phd (including the writing), as this is what i takes most of the natural scientists to finish their thesis.
I have to say that the two post docs I know that did their PhD work at a max planck institute weren't really happy either. One got no first author paper out of it and the other one had a extremely pushy "junior" group leader and had a really hard time but maybe that is just a coincidence. Usually the standards are really high and the reputation of the institutes is good, so I don't expect it to be everywhere like this. There should be a contact person for PhD studets. Maybe you can ask around...might be a way to discuss such a manner discreetly and get a neutral second opinion.
I think you can apply for other positions but don't rush into that and try to talk to therespective "PhD authority" at the institute. I bet there is someone assigned for PhD students and they can probably give you the best advice in a situation like this. Talking to your supervisor might help to clarify things. A future supervisor will definitely call him and ask about the situation, so you'll somehow rely on what he says about your performance and the reasons you quit.
Are you sure that you fail after two and a half years? Usually your funding ends, but you don't get fired. In my opinion, starting to write after 2 years is completely unrealistic and the people I know that were employed at a max planck institute (2, but not chemists) took 3 to 3.5 years for the lab work and then did another 6 months writing. Maybe that is different in chemistry but it sounds a bit strange to me.
I think quitting always looks better than failing. You just have to "sell" it, which is a bit difficult in this case. You are already working on that topic for 1.5 years, so people will assume that you expected to fail or that you were not capable of mastering the subject. If the topic or the group were the cause for problems, one would expect that you quit after 6 months or at least a shorter period. Of course we all know that it is much more difficult if there is absolutely no input but strictly speaking, that is also one of the challenges of a PhD. It should be your scientific accomplishment. But of course some support and advice is often necessary for success.
I would talk to the supervisor again and tell him/her that you are thinking about quitting your position. Maybe they don't realize the seriousness of the situation. Otherwise, apply for other PhD positions if you are sure that you can't make it.
Do you get no funding at all or would you at least get the tuition fees paid by the NERC? If so, you could still ask the professor if there are other possibilities for additional funding. You could maybe write a proposal together to apply for scholarships. It depends a bit on the competition. If you are a good fit for the position and there are no other suitable candidates then it is an option. If there are many candidates nobody will go that extra mile, because others fit exactly the NERC criteria.
Nevertheless DON'T finance a PhD with your savings. You do important work and the university and professor benefit from that. There is no reason to work for free, no matter if you want to do a PhD or not. There are always better options.
Is there a reason why you want to do that in UK? I found it almost impossible to find projects that are accesible for EU citizens. If they write that it is accesible for EU citizens, then they actually mean if you lived in the UK for 3 years, which excludes 99% of the EU citizens ;)
Depending on what you have done in the company it might be really easy or really hard to get a PhD position but definitely not completely unusual. As a natural scientists it is easy to find a PhD position if you worked in Research and Development but rather hard if you did something non-related to your field and science in general (sales or consulting in case of chemists or biologists for instance). Then they might think that you are out of science for too long. That does not mean that it is impossible, but it would make it harder.
I think that it is just strange to me to define yourself so extreme as a PhD student. I sometimes really get the feeling that this is like the most important thing to people in this forum in life :D That seems completely irrational to me, even though I'll also apply for PhD positions and would be happy to get one. In the end, it's an experience and two letters in front of my name. I don't think I would be willing to do almost everything imaginable and possibly sacrifice every career opportunity just for this. From the beginning of my bachelor degree on, it was relatively clear to me that I want to do a PhD after my masters, which has not changed and of course it would be hard to give up on that but in the end I have to make a living in the next decades. If there is no good opportunity, then it is like that. I know that I would be also unhappy if I still live a student lifestyle when I'm 45 without any chances for permanent jobs and so on. But people are different and I respect that :)
But you know enough about their situation to encourage them? I think this is basically the same situation. The important point is that we are not talking about a job but about a temporary Phd position. Even if he gets a random Phd position after another year, where will it lead to? Of course nobody knows for sure, but the chances that you end up unemployed or badly paid in a job completely out of your field are extremely high. For me, that is enough to give someone the advice above. One post doc in a lab I did an internship in got advised by the supervisors to better look for positions in industry because his publication record was (in their opinion) to weak to have a real chance in academia. Of course they could not know that for sure. Nobody can. Of course they did not like that because he wanted to be a PI some day but things like that are just honest. If you still want to try you have the possibility but I would feel bad to encourage people in situations like that, just to be positive. It is always easy to encourage anonymous people in a forum but imagine it is a friend or a family member. Would you really encourage them even though you know about the odds?
He/She is not working. "No luck with phd or employment". This is simply a gap and not the decision to achieve a Phd after working in this field for a while.
I appreciate this encouraging, all-time positive mood in this forum, but in cases like this it is just irresponsible. How long shall he/she continue trying? 1, 2, 5 years? And what if it never works out ? Who hires you 5 years after graduation without relevant work experience? Even it is somehow sad if people give up on their dreams, sometimes it is just not meant to be and at some point one should look for better alternatives.
5 years of university (BSc + MSc) should give you the tools you need to do your own research. If you are not able to do so, you are not a suitable Phd candidate. It sounds like you search for someone who looks over your shoulder while you work in the lab but that is not how it should be. You perform your own research and you discuss the results with your supervisor and discuss strategies and directions. At least that is what I expect.
What is a Phd worth if you just follow the instructions of a supervisor and how will you be able to do good science after a Phd?
PS : Of course there are bad supervisors but in my opinion more in a way that they demand too much and put too much pressure on the student.
I think in the long run that won't help. Academia is highly competetive so you have to ask yourself the question if this is the right working environment for your condition. I don't mean this in any way offensive, but even with a Phd you still have no relevant internships or work experience and if your supervisor sees no real potential in your work then this might not be the way to go. Try to get the master (which is not so bad, nobody needs to know that you were phd student) and then look for something else.
Funny to see the differences. In most other countries teaching is a minor task and your supervisor would never "allow" to spend so much time on this, if it means that you do less work for the project. You may supervise a bachelor/master student or a practical course from time to time but never to that extend.
If it is like that I would just accept it and not try to work 60 hours + each week. You will most likely burn out after a while if you overdo it and that won't be beneficial for neither project, nor teaching
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