I passed! Now for an important question...

O

For quite some time after getting the PhD I did not use the Dr title much...I used it in academic circumstances such as job applications...that was about it. Then someone pointed out the very useful neutral nature of the title--it gets rid of that hideous ( IMO) Mrs/Ms/Miss title stuff you have to fill out on forms for banks, etc. Men are lucky in having the single choice of Mister. This designation of marital status, for women only, on forms drives me insane. Many places in the UK do not have the Ms. option, so then you have to choose between Miss and Mrs....and I dither. Being divorced and having never changed my name to my (ex) husband's when married, am I a Mrs? a Miss? Dr. solves it all rather nicely. ;-)

Now when someone is filling out a form and asks me, I gave a sweet smile and say as modestly as I can, "Actually, its Dr".

S

If and/or when I qualify I intend to change all my personal documents to doctor. Rightly or wrongly, being a Dr can often get you perks such as upgrades, as well as occasionally getting you better service. If someone put me down on something as a Mr though (e.g. I book a table under the name addabs and they reply back "so that's a table at 7 under Mr addabs"), I wouldn't correct them, and I rarely introduce myself as "Mr screamingaddabs" so I doubt I'd often introduce myself as "Dr Screamingaddabs".

So basically, no difference in conversation and speech etc, but I would change it when written down by me.

P

If you've earned it, use it.

Or if you're "Dr" Gillian McKeith...

If you've paid for it, use it.

A

Our post would be so stuffed: I don't like the idea of getting letters addressed to

Mr & Dr......

Just sounds clumsy and plain wrong.

C

When you've passed your viva is a good time to use it! And for filling in pesky application forms for an academic job Dr helps me thinks!

But not to be confused with a "real" Dr!!!! ;-)

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For quite some time after getting the PhD I did not use the Dr title much...I used it in academic circumstances such as job applications...that was about it. Then someone pointed out the very useful neutral nature of the title--it gets rid of that hideous ( IMO) Mrs/Ms/Miss title stuff you have to fill out on forms for banks, etc. Men are lucky in having the single choice of Mister. This designation of marital status, for women only, on forms drives me insane. Many places in the UK do not have the Ms. option, so then you have to choose between Miss and Mrs....and I dither. Being divorced and having never changed my name to my (ex) husband's when married, am I a Mrs? a Miss? Dr. solves it all rather nicely. ;-)

Now when someone is filling out a form and asks me, I gave a sweet smile and say as modestly as I can, "Actually, its Dr".


If you're a divorcee, you revert to being Miss.

I know Ms. came about with the best of intentions, with the intention of getting away with the image of ownership by men. However, I cringe when I hear it. If all women use 'Miss', it sounds better and solves the problem.

P

You don't use titles on passports, so how can you use Dr on your passport? and why would you want to? people just assume you mean medical Dr, and then you have to say.. oh no, sorry, PhD Dr..which takes something away from the whole thing..and makes it seem like a 'pretend' title .. a lot of folk don't get what PhD is ...

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You don't use titles on passports, so how can you use Dr on your passport? and why would you want to? people just assume you mean medical Dr, and then you have to say.. oh no, sorry, PhD Dr..which takes something away from the whole thing..and makes it seem like a 'pretend' title .. a lot of folk don't get what PhD is ...


On the latest passports, the page with the biometric chip has you full name with title printed on it (the page immediately following your photo ID). The passport office also told me they were going to do this (one of my other forms of photo ID made it clear I had the PhD and it was a rush job, so couldn't easily avoid - grab first thing at hand). I personally didn't give a monkeys either way and I think my reaction at the time was "whatever!"

I definitely agree that alot of people don't get what a PhD is, one reason not to make a song and dance about it.

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If you've earned it, use it.

Or if you're "Dr" Gillian McKeith...

If you've paid for it, use it.


I gather there's a story in the above.
;-)

O

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Quote From olivia:

For quite some time after getting the PhD I did not use the Dr title much...I used it in academic circumstances such as job applications...that was about it. Then someone pointed out the very useful neutral nature of the title--it gets rid of that hideous ( IMO) Mrs/Ms/Miss title stuff you have to fill out on forms for banks, etc. Men are lucky in having the single choice of Mister. This designation of marital status, for women only, on forms drives me insane. Many places in the UK do not have the Ms. option, so then you have to choose between Miss and Mrs....and I dither. Being divorced and having never changed my name to my (ex) husband's when married, am I a Mrs? a Miss? Dr. solves it all rather nicely. ;-)

Now when someone is filling out a form and asks me, I gave a sweet smile and say as modestly as I can, "Actually, its Dr".


If you're a divorcee, you revert to being Miss.

I know Ms. came about with the best of intentions, with the intention of getting away with the image of ownership by men. However, I cringe when I hear it. If all women use 'Miss', it sounds better and solves the problem.



Hmmm....but whose name is it? Is the name done for the benefit of the identity of the individual whose name it is, or for the world at large?!
and is there some equivalent male gender term for divorcee?

Not that springs to mind.

Ms may not be an ideal term, but it is certainly preferential to the lack of choice available to women in terms of prefixes. If women want to have a title that does not make a statement about their marital status, what is wrong with that? Men after all have a simple title that does not announce their marital status.

But at any rate, the problem is all nicely solved by now making use of the title Dr. :p(up)

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Just another thought on this. Those that have chosen to use their Dr. title, have you also made this change with your GP. That is one situation where I do imagine it to be embarrasing.

I've obviously left this situation be. People are called out as Mr., Mrs., Miss, etc. on an electronic display, so being called out as Dr. would be taking the... :-)

Again, my thoughts are use on in professional situations only or (as stated earlier) extra identity with large financial transactions.

B

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Just another thought on this. Those that have chosen to use their Dr. title, have you also made this change with your GP. That is one situation where I do imagine it to be embarrasing.


No I didn't change that, though I told my GP I'd passed my PhD, because he supported me on disability grounds during it, and also my hospital consultant, who I see every month, and was extremely pleased to know I'd passed. But on the GP/hospital records I'm still Mrs.

Basically I just use it in academic settings, though I did change my title with the bank, so I have some definite ID proving my Dr status on me at any time. But it's not as though I speak to anyone at the bank (I really don't!), so they never call me Dr.

B

Though I did have an awkward doctor thing a couple of months ago. My Mum had been admitted - nearly dying - to a coronary care ward many hours away from us. I think she'd told everyone there (once conscious) that her daughter was a doctor, as was her son-in-law. So when I had to speak on the phone to a member of staff about Mum's case the nurse assumed I was a medical doctor, and gave me far more detailed information, using all the medical abbrevations and terminology, than she normally would have done. Part-way through the conversation I explained I wasn't a medical doctor, but an academic doctor. But it wasn't so bad. I got to know more about Mum's case, and it was actually quite helpful.

B

I'm with Olivia on this one. I've been divorced for 30 odd years, but carry my ex-husband's surname, as this is my professional name. I have a horror of titles in general and refer to myself in my professional name without any title. But Dr is useful in sidestepping the 'Mrs or Miss?' question which, like Olivia, I hate. The other place it's really useful is in answering the phone to cold callers. They ask if they could speak to Mr or Mrs X. I say that there's no one of either name who lives here. My cold call numbers have dropped very significantly!

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I'm with Olivia on this one. I've been divorced for 30 odd years, but carry my ex-husband's surname, as this is my professional name. I have a horror of titles in general and refer to myself in my professional name without any title. But Dr is useful in sidestepping the 'Mrs or Miss?' question which, like Olivia, I hate. The other place it's really useful is in answering the phone to cold callers. They ask if they could speak to Mr or Mrs X. I say that there's no one of either name who lives here. My cold call numbers have dropped very significantly!


I'll remember that the next time someone calls me from Mumbai or Kolkota, telling me I have a problem with my computer!!! :-)

D

Good one 8-)

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