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Boconni: MS in ECONOMICS AND MANAGEMENT IN ARTS, CULTURE, MEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT
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I'm not so sure about my own business, I guess working somewhere like LVMH or Kering is my goal, brand-management, buying or some other managerial position is what I'm ultimately aiming at. MBA is something to think about after a few years of working in the industry and knowing exactly what you need it for, from my point of view. Of course I've looked through the prospectus, it seems rreally interesting for me, you can choose one of 5 majors and one of them is Fashion and Design - ideal for me.


Ok then sounds like this is the course for you! Go for it.

PhD post-viva revision works
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Hey Uttara just wanted to see how you're getting on with the corrections? I'm also revising a publication I've submitted and am close to finishing the revisions before sending them to the journal's editor. Be + and stay motivated (advice for both of us :))

Boconni: MS in ECONOMICS AND MANAGEMENT IN ARTS, CULTURE, MEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT
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Don't know about this programme but Boconni is a good university by European standards (i.e. it ranks well amongst European unis especially in Economics). You're like me you don't like finance/IB/consulting but are you planning to start a business in high-fashion industry or just work for a retail company, and what kind of job would you be looking at in this retail company? If you were going to start your business I would've certainly suggested doing an MBA as opposed to MSc Economics and management in arts etc... Did you read the prospectus on the course?

work full time, part-time PhD that I don't like - REALLY need advice
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Ok sounds good- then slightly alter the focus of your PhD to accommodate for elements/topics in civil engineering. As I said I'm no expert so can't help much but sounds like you can perhaps do one or two chapters that link civil engineering advances/latest issues that interest you with the wider topic you're investigating. Of course you need to inform your supervisor but if it's what you want to do I doubt he/she will give you any trouble. In my case, I only did a minor change to my topic to make it more interesting given the geopolitical situation in the world today, and my sup agreed.

HELP/ADVICE regards PhD proposal
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It's important to have an idea what your PhD will be about (discipline, field,etc...). You can do minor changes once you're in the programme but for the purpose of the PhD application, you need to show that you have an idea what you're going to do.

1. Make a list of departments you're considering and look at their faculty interests
2. Once you got a good list, see if you can introduce something novel to any of their current research work
3. Get in touch with a few of the faculties (they may not respond though). Otherwise if possible, pop in the uni during their office hours and talk to them.
4. NEVER ask the professor for a proposal or ideas lol- he/she'll think you're a troll. The point is you go there, you show interest in the field, you know the topic, and simply need to verify that they would be interested.

Hope this brief guide helps.

Another job app rejection letter
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Quote From JanineG:
Haven't got a trainee technician job or a dispenser job. *sigh* am I going to get anything?


We're all in this together Janine as the Tories say :p I wonder if Dave is even bothered about the millions of unemployed ppl in the UK. That's why I chose to leave and give it a shot.

Another job app rejection letter
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Hey Satchi
Join the club :( I just finished my PhD and although I'm getting teaching experience in Canada it's part-time and pays barely anything!!! On top of that, I've been applying for jobs back in the UK and here in Canada and am shocked at how competitive it is. At the moment, I'm focusing more on publications and am writing a book (and co-authoring a paper with someone): I think that's the best thing to do for the next 6-12 months as I don't see the job market improving even one bit.

Just to give you an idea, the Ministry of Finance here in Ontario need PhD-educated economists: 300 people applied for 1 position!!! Now, as previous posters said, connections play a big role (unfortunately I don't have a strong network in that respect). But it's safe to say the chances of me getting it are slim, and I have a PhD from a top uni, speak several languages, worked for four years in the City as an economist, have a publication close to acceptance, and am in the process of writing a book.

It's demoralising to say the least and recently it's been affecting my teaching (even my students notice) and just generally my mood has not been great. As you've been in this situation longer than myself, any tips you can perhaps give me to go thru life without despair?

Good viva, bad result
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Hi mocktortoise,

I'm so sorry to hear of the verdict. In my case I was grilled for 2.5 hours (the internal didn't like my argument and neither did the external) but to my shock they passed me with minor corrections. In your case, I think you should appeal: if they did not ask you about where you see the project in the future, how can they possibly use that to determine the outcome (whether pass or fail)?? It defies logic.

I'm just curious in the viva (which is long as I can tell) did you discuss what makes your work unique?? That was the first question they asked me. What did you discuss if you don't mind me asking? Also I'm assuming if you had a theoretical framework on which to base your research then surely you can identify the original contribution?

DrStrangelove is right: if you consider you presented originality then appeal. In fact, I'd say appeal on the basis of my 1st paragraph- it may take a while but it's surely better than just leaving it at that and getting the MPhil. I have a colleague who failed his viva but apparently it only lasted 30 minutes and they made it clear that they did not like it (he was told that this is 'unworthy material', which is harsh). Your situation is uncommon and calls for action in my view.

Two Discouraging Verdicts on Publications
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Quote From BilboBaggins:
Oh and to put that 8% in context, the majority of people submitting to that journal will have PhDs, and many will be long-term seasoned academics. But even that aside just a tiny proportion of papers submitted to that journal are accepted. So the editors can be very very choosy. It's not a bad reflection on you that yours wasn't accepted, just simple numbers and reality. But there should be plenty of other journals you can turn to, and it's likely that you will see the piece in print eventually. So keep going with it!


Thanks Bilbo as I said in my original message this is a new experience so it's taken me by surprise. I am close to finishing the revisions for the accepted (or nearly accepted I should say) paper, and as for the other one I'll submit to another journal and if it gets rejected then I'll edit it. Just seems extremely competitive and when you think that tenure-track positions at research-intensive unis require a publication in a top journal, then it borders on disheartening.

PhD post-viva revision works
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Quote From DrStrangelove:
Keep your supervisor sweet; they can really help you now.

This is limbo land. Most people think you pass the viva you are finished. Maybe you start getting called doctor by friends. But you are not done. Not yet. So you have to make one last big push. When you submit your corrections for sign off, you may have to wait.


Thank you DrStrangelove: forgot to mention that having a friendly and cooperative supervisor is fundamental...it helped me very much, even when I waited 6 months for my examiner to approve the corrections.

Two Discouraging Verdicts on Publications
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Quote From MeaninginLife:
When i rejected some papers, i also used words like 'well-exectued' and 'interesting' such that the comments do not appear very discouraging. i may not really mean it...

However, the reviewers can be biased... Yes. 8% is quite low.


Your comments are not helpful whatsoever: the editor could've meant it or not- it's 50/50 and it doesn't change the outcome. If your mission is to put people needing advice down then maybe you shouldn't post messages.

Two Discouraging Verdicts on Publications
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Quote From BilboBaggins:
Sorry to hear your news, but you need to take it on the chin and move on. And you should be really grateful that they rejected you quickly. Sometimes journals can take up to 2 years, in some fields, before rejecting outright. Thank you not!

Concentrate for now on the revise and resubmit. You've got a foot in the door. I've had quite a few revise and resubmits, and although they can initially be a bit tough to take I now view them very positively. Make the changes they say, resubmit. You stand a very high chance of being published.

With the other paper, possibly rewrite it a bit, but certainly find another journal. It's likely the one you aimed at has a very low acceptance rate for papers, and will only accept the very very best. It isn't enough that your work has passed a PhD - journals have higher more discriminating standards than that! They can pick what they like. So look for other journals, perhaps one slightly more closely suited to your research, and submit there.

But don't be disheartened. As others have said this happens to the very best academics. And remember as I said getting a revise and resubmit is very good and positive.


Thanks Bilbo. Yes I suppose turnout has been fast- mind you they have to speed things up given the demand.

I'm working on the revise and resubmit although I must say I find the reviewer's comments in some cases outrageous- do you still think I should just "follow" his/her instructions?

I will try submitting the other paper to another journal and see what happens. If it gets rejected there as well then I'll possibly rewrite it. It was a top journal and have an 8% acceptance rate (which I'm assuming is quite low?). I'm just wondering if this has happened to you and others here so I can learn something from your experiences.

Two Discouraging Verdicts on Publications
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Quote From Eska:
Hiya, I read the comment about your article not being significant enough for a general interest journal as meaning that you should try a more specialised publication that caters for a relevant niche. That was my immediate understanding.
Hope that helps a bit.


Hi Eska, that's what I thought as well and my supervisor is under that impression as well. He suggested that I send it to a more specific journal. I'm not sure what to do now though as my confidence in the paper is a bit shaken. Seems that the acceptance rate to this journal is only 8% (according to Google search). Is that low by journal standards?

PhD post-viva revision works
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Hi Uttara,
Did you get a revise and resubmit or a pass with 6-months corrections?

I got a pass with minor corrections and while my corrections have been approved recently, I had a rough time getting my internal to look at them and approve them. To get this correction perfect, the best way is to FOLLOW EACH AND EVERY POINT raised by the examiners in the Joint Report. Don't go for partial solutions: if they say delete a comma in page X, do it. Once you're done, make sure you document the changes you made in the thesis itself (using margins and insert comments) and write a separate report outlining exactly how you addressed each of the points raised in the Joint Report. Once you do this, you are guaranteed to go thru with it without problems.

As for the motivation. I went through a similar scenario: passing with minor corrections felt like an anti-climax. My examiners congratulated me, as did my supervisor, the department secretary, and my friends and PhD candidate colleagues. But I felt like I still didn't really pass (even though I still remember the letter from my uni congratulating me on the "conditional approval" to the degree). To motivate yourself, just remember that in the end, you'll be a doctor in your field, you can get to take some time off if you can (without thinking so much about the next step), and that you're 90% there already,and that some changes are so easy. I say focus on the "more difficult" changes first and get them out of the way (how many changes do u have btw?) That helped me: I had 2 content changes (very minor though based on extra reading which I already had but didn't include) and 4 were grammar/tone changes. so I started with the 2 first.

Hope that helps- if you need any help PM me as well as I've been there and know what it feels like.

work full time, part-time PhD that I don't like - REALLY need advice
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All the guys here posted some fantastic suggestions but in ur case u say that u don't like the subject/field. This is an issue- from my experience anyone who doesn't like their PhD topic is unlikely to do well. First look at what it is that you don't like about your topic, and then see if you can pursue perhaps a different angle/ add something to make more interesting (a comparative study or another experiment etc...) Sorry I work in the social sciences so can't really help when it comes to mech engineering.

Know that you're not alone like ppl said and Mackem_Beefy gave you some great possibilities. I think before deciding on an option, however, try to recapture interest in your topic as that is key.