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Applying for RA positions instead of role requiring PhD...
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Yeah I think I understand where you are coming from. In other words, you are prepared to tolerate a certain amount of crap and/or are prepared to sacrifice a bit of independence of thought and action for the sake of the bigger picture of your career.

It is very subtle and you obviously don't need me to warn you of the potential pitfalls but I think I can see where you are coming from.

Unfortunately I don't know how to advise on your specific question. Also, I am a physical scientist so we live in pretty different worlds. I don't know how social science/psychology departments work.

Let us know what you find out.

Applying for RA positions instead of role requiring PhD...
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Quote From Tudor_Queen:
Hi pm133, thanks for your message. Just to clarify further, it isn't a matter of minding what people think about me - trust me, I really don't. However, I do know that certain actions can be interpreted in certain ways by others - and I do not want to hamper my chances of success by doing something that might close doors instead of opening them. This is why I am trying to get a feel for what is what - and what might be a way to move forward in academia (where, for now at least, I would like to be).

I think I can appreciate where you're coming from re not ticking others' boxes, but rather, living your own life. I tend to do this too. My caution here is because I want to meet my goals, and not because I am concerned about what others might think. Trying to figure out what is best for me is precisely what I am trying to do!

Thank you for your reply - explaining my position has helped me understand where I'm coming from myself a little more (:


Glad to have helped but I must be honest I am not sure what the difference is between the two ways of looking at this in your first paragraph. You are still talking about making career decisions based on how those decisions will be perceived. I might have misunderstood you though.
I am a bit hard core when it comes to this sort of thinking so if you have another way of viewing these types of situation you might ironically end up helping me react differently when this crops up in my own career.

Is it okay to expect advisor(s) to offer a word of condolence?
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The word "expect" is the key here. Personally I don't think it is healthy to expect anything from anyone.
I don't think anyone is obliged to care about another person.
Of course, a normal functioning human being will ask you how you are doing or make some reference to you being back at work.
I have to say though that there are plenty of people who hate getting anything resembling sympathy.
When something like this happened to me I simply wanted no fuss whatsoever and to get back to work.
People didn't know that so should they say something to me or not?

Everyone is different and so as I said, it isn't healthy to expect anything. It's a little unfair on them actually.
Just my thoughts.

Searching for postdocs
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Ah yes, I forgot about that. OK scratch the supervisor bit......

Black list
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I have no doubt that some people at some institutions will operate a de facto blacklist but a more likely scenario may be happening.
If I received a CV showing a failed PhD attempt I would probably not want to interview that person for my vacant PhD position unless I was struggling to recruit. If I did interview you, you would expect a very tough set of questions about what went wrong.
From what I have seen, Academics are a pretty risk averse bunch. You may be having problems because of this.

Applying for RA positions instead of role requiring PhD...
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Thanks for the clarification TQ.
I am not in academia now so I can't be sure what advice to give but I can try to put myself in your shoes and give you my thoughts on this if it helps.

Never in my entire career have I spent time worrying about how my job choices will be interpreted by others because I cannot control that. Everything has been about what work interests me personally and how that fashions my career path. My career profile developed from that approach. If at any time I found myself thinking about what potential employers would think about the reputation of the company I worked for, my job title, the uni I got my degree at or who I worked for during my PhD it would raise a massive red flag for me because not one of those things refers to my personal abilities. All of them are based on discriminatory nonsense. It's like the Russell Group discussion from a couple of weeks back. If I had to tick those sort of boxes to work for someone I would have to seriously question whether that was a game I would ever want to play. Why? Because I compromise myself, my choices and my freedom in an ultimately futile attempt to suit some vague idea of what other people want. When you start living your life to suit other people, by definition that would significantly hamper your progress and your personal happiness. I would see that my personal authenticity would be at stake.

As ever I am going to speak honestly here. I think you are at very real risk of making your decisions based on fear. That would be a real shame if true. You can't start your career in this way. You are good. Believe it and trust that others will come to see it too.
My advice for everyone is to focus on being the best at what you do. If you do that, none of the stuff you are worrying about will matter.

Hope that helps.

2 weeks left and 10k to write
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Your first supervisor doesn't sound lovely at all. She sounds needy, more than a little happy clappy and worse, it sounds like she has pressured you into making a decision which is bad for you. My worst nightmare in a person if I am being honest.

You mentioned in a previous post that you had or still have suicidal thoughts. You need to stop and get professional help right now if this is true. You need to be making decisions which are right for you. In your current state, you absolutely must not be thinking of what is best for her, only what is best for you. You can always come back and finish your thesis when you have recovered,

Please get some professional help for your depression if you can.

Applying for RA positions instead of role requiring PhD...
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Are you worried about being seen as overqualified?
If so, I wouldn't overly worry. I know PhD qualified people who work in call centres and who work as analytical chemists sitting at the end of a machine matching spectra with printouts of expected products.

Searching for postdocs
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Researchgate has job listings.
Linkedin is always worth a look too.
The problem is that any job already listed is likely to have been spotted by others.
You might get more luck identifying specific researchers and approaching them with a view to putting in a funding request somewhere.
Alternatively pester your supervisor to recommend you to a group. A good supervisor should help you find postdoc through their own networks.

Doing the Second PhD in a Different Subject
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Doing a PhD because you can't find a job is a dreadful idea.
To add to TOL's advice above, almost every PhD graduate that I know is working on postdocs which are largely unrelated to anything they have experience in. Experience is everything. Specific experience in that particular job surprisingly is not necessarily needed.

Try for PhD or a Second MS
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Quote From tru:
Calculation of overall average should be total of (weightage x marks of all subjects) divided by total number of credits. So, if you took two subjects and got 75% for a 20 credit course and 50% for a 30 credit course, your average will be [(75*20) + (50*30)] / (20 + 30) = 60%. In other words, if you score really badly in a high weightage subject, you will end up with poor score.


The problem is the OP is claiming that 2 of the modules didn't have a score attached to them. They were pass or fail and the suggestion is that both were given as 0% in the final score marking.
Something sounds very odd here. I am not convinced we are hearing the full story.

Try for PhD or a Second MS
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Quote From Saadliaqat:
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No idea. I asked my university to clarify how the overall result is being calculated, didnt get any response from them. I asked the professor who was teaching these modules and his response was that these two modules will not be calculated towards overall average , they are just pass or fail.

Then I used
https://gradehub.io/

i input my courses and their results, If i skip these 40 credit courses i get 2:1 (69%), if i put 0% for these 40 credits I get 2:2 (54%). even If i put the bare-pass for these 40 credits (i.e. 45% for each course), my overall from this online tool is 63%.

Until now I couldnt exactly figure out the relation between the weight of the module towards the overall average.


The handbook for your course should tell you what you need to know in respect of how grades are worked out - pass, merit, distinction.
You should also be able to get a transcript which breaks down the marks.

Try for PhD or a Second MS
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Only you can answer that question. I was interested in getting to the bottom of why you were getting rejected.
Personally I don't believe anyone should be doing a PhD with such a poor grade but many people in your position manage to find a supervisor desperate enough to hire them anyway. It's your choice whether to take that risk or not.

Waiting For Corrections to be Sent?????
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24 hours to recive major corrections? That doesn't sound realistic at all. 3 weeks is not on either though.

Try for PhD or a Second MS
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Yes that's what I suspected. So the feedback you got about having low grades is correct then,
I think this is the equivalent of a 2:2 or grade average 50 to 59%.
I think merit is 60 to 69 and a distinction is above 70 but I might be wrong,

Either way this is probably why you are getting rejections. I dont think it has anything to do with individual module weightings.
Applying to very popular places like Imperial and Warwick is going to be tough as you'll be facing a throng of people with distinctions.