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Demanding critical and controlling PhD advisor - I need Help
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Quote From applepie:
Hey there! Thank you for your answers. I find this forum a great help and I feel better observing that the issues I am having are similar than other peoples too! I will continue to work with her and I actually have to learn how to be more assertive, in fact. Thank you for the suggestions Tudor_Queen. Even if she does help and she has some good suggestions and accurate observations (some are not), the tone is demanding like I said before: "You HAVE to write about this" instead of a suggestion or an open discussion (I do have? Or I could possibly think of do it ...or could we discuss it?). "Don't you forget that your thesis is about THIS" (I know what my thesis is about thank you. Since I've done all my research I know what is my thesis about. And it is supposed to be mine. My thesis is in construction and is dynamic and still being written....) "You have to stop doing this until the end of this month and start doing THAT!" (I know or I should know how to organize my time...) I actually work a lot for my thesis and I have a very creative vein that I feel like I am losing because of these demanding which I am incapable to argue with. (My thesis is on social sciences) I have a meeting today. Let's see what happens....


Has she been like this since you started or just recently?

consumer behavior+coffee
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Quote From Nesrine:
Dear members ..
i'm in Phd (technology for sustainable agriculture) and my area of interest is consumer behavior and i choose coffe as product .. please help me to find recent papers ( 2016, 2017,2018) cuz i don't have access to any platform of journal or papers ..


This is an absolutely ridiculous question.

Referral
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Ouch. I am not surprised there was an ambarassing silence. You attempted to fend off criticism in your viva by blaming your supervisor. This was a terrible answer. You left them in thinking that half your thesis was down to him and not yourself. By the end of your PhD you should have verified for yourself that this format was correct and then you should have defended it to the hilt as though you had conceived it yourself. There is no coming back from your error. I think after you said that you were dead in the water I'm afraid.

The point of a viva - Check the following:
1) Was the thesis representing the work of the student.
2) Did the student write it.
3) Was the work significant enough to warrant the award.

You need all 3 to pass. You probably were seen to fail point 1.
In my opinion, you need to overcome that.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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Quote From rewt:


I would agree that if everything was equal bar grades the person with a first wins. And that you need to really need to show something

The point of a PhD is to become capable of doing independent research and academic grades are not the ultimatum holy grade for assessing capability to become a good researcher. You can have good grades because you work very hard, know the very well course well but do not have any initiative or scientific curiosity. You can also get good grades while having no concept of experimental design which is crucial is some science/engineering PhDs. You can get good grades but have zero passion or interest in the topic you are applying for. There are a lot of other variables that affect PhD success and assuming that grades are absolute is reckless. As the interviewers should be looking for well-rounded applicants.

I personally know two other people who did PhDs with 2:1s. Both of those people did well on their final year dissertation to the extent that they continued working in those areas. One with the same supervisor at the uni while the other somehow got a paper and got a Ph.D. off that. Despite them being pretty poor undergrads with woeful grades they got through by showing aptitude in their chosen fields. Though chemical engineering in the UK may have a different standard than other courses.

The OP has a conference paper and still got a 2:1 despite working full time. I would say he has a small chance and should at least try.


It's all very well saying all this (and I do understand your points) but it doesn't work like this. You dont consider all other factors and THEN look at the grades as though they were a tie breaker. You start interviewing those with the high grades first and only if you can't find someone capable do you start going down the grades list. The reason is obvious. Academia is about intellectual excellence and the only way we have of demonstrating that right now is solid grades and an ability to answer good technical interview questions which demonstrate you understand the material you have soent years learning. Maybe when it comes to other types of jobs, intellectual excellence is not the main thing but academia is a different ball game. The only reason people with a 2:1 get PhD funding is when there are not enough suitable 1st class candidates. That would appear to be a fact of life. I dont recall seeing too many posts on this forum where those with 1st class degrees are asking for help because they are losing out on funding. It is always those with second class degrees.

By the way, the original poster should definitely apply for funding. Personally I dont think we should be funding PhDs for anyone but those with 1st class degrees. We have too many PhDs and most appear to be a compete waste of time. From what I have experienced it is very rare to see anyone fail them. Academia is less fussy than me and will literally do anything for money these days.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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Quote From chantedsnicker:
Quote From pm133:

People can absolutely get PhD positions with a 2:1 and I agree you need to show some other skills or abilities but most crucially you need to hope someone with a 1st doesn't also apply for that post. If that happens, your application is as good as dead unless you are physically related to the supervisor or can persuade them to take a bribe. I think it is very important that people with lower grades understand that.


I think there's a lot more to it than what you got in your undergraduate degree. To say that I wouldn't have got my PhD if someone with a 1st had applied is, I think rather unfair.

I don't know who the other candidates were, but I do know that having spend 10+ years working (and getting a Masters part-time) before deciding to do my PhD means that I'm not the same person I was when I was when I graduated at 22 and can demonstrate a lot more of the skills necessary for a PhD than someone who has just graduated with a 1st from an equivalent university.


When it comes to PhD funding grades are the number one deciding factor. You would only consider lesser qualified people if you were short of top applicants or if the top applicants had serious character defects. I dont know why you would consider it fair to fund a 2:1 candidate over some who was technically superior. That would be a very odd thing to do when technical excellence should be a prerequesite for such a role.

i would be genuinely inteested in hearing if anyone has experience of a first class candidate being overlooked for funding in favour of a second class student.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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Quote From chaotic1328:
FFS, I was looking at some student accommodations in Leeds, and some of the student halls (note; privately run student halls, not shared rented houses where the sitting tenants express their preference about a new housemate) have a stated maximum age of 32. Is this even legal?


That is actually quite funny.
People should have the right to choose who they do and dont live with in my opinion.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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Quote From chaotic1328:
Not to put to fine a point on it, age discrimination does happen, maybe not in computer science, but certainly in the social sciences. I received some great feedback during the summer when I was emailing potential supervisors regarding my PhD. This senior academic from a respected university gave me some very useful information how to go about it, even though my topic wasn't outside of her expertise/interest, and so she could not supervise my thesis unless I make fundamental changes . Along with the helpful advice was the comment that in her experience (and she did say that she shouldn't really be saying this), funded places are usually for budding academics, and so younger applicants (those in their 20s and early 30s) tend to be looked upon more favourably. That is not to say that us oldies have no chance of funded places, just that with all things being equal, younger applicants do tend to get the nod.


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I am not saying age discrimination doesnt happen at all. I am saying it is not the problem it is made out to be.
If you get a 1st you will almost certainly avoid these sorts of problems.
In that cae it won't matter a jot what age you are.
As for that academic you mentioned, that assumes more than one person applies for her PhD position in the first place.
Most supervisors simply cannot be fussy.

average timescale for announcement of outcomes for the externally funded phd studentships in UK?
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I would assume I had not succeeded by this stage.
You could email them for an update.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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Quote From rewt:
pm133, I am not saying that everyone who gets good grades is just regurgitating information and I know that a lot of people of who got good grades who did work really hard and totally deserved it. I apologise that I overgeneralized and not trying to demean people who got superb grades.

But there are people who just regurgitate information and had exam technique that inflated their grades despite them being oblivious. Grades are a good indication of how you will succeed in a PhD but you can succeed in undergrad with a completely different skill set to the one required to do well as a postgraduate. The potential supervisor should know that and is looking for the right skills/attitude as well as grades.

I didn't do much regurgitation as I was that guy that barely turned up after the first year, drank like a fish and literally rocked up to exams having barely done any work. Though I finally found a topic in my final year that actually interested me, worked my ass off and managed to impress the interviewers enough to give me a chance (and there were other applicants). I am not saying it is easy to get a PhD with a 2:1 but that is possible if you show the interviewers something else.


There's no need to apologise. I just wanted to challenge your views on a couple of things because I think it gives potentially damaging advice to others. Actually your advice about age on another thread was more problemmatic than what you have written here.

I would be pretty confident in stating that the chances of any supervisor at any university ever choosing someone with a 2:1 over someone with a 1st would be as close to zero as to be unworthy of mention. The candidate with the 1st would have to be completely incapable of acting like a functioning human being for the duration of the interview. I am happy to hear of instances where others can show I am wrong.

People can absolutely get PhD positions with a 2:1 and I agree you need to show some other skills or abilities but most crucially you need to hope someone with a 1st doesn't also apply for that post. If that happens, your application is as good as dead unless you are physically related to the supervisor or can persuade them to take a bribe. I think it is very important that people with lower grades understand that.

Demanding critical and controlling PhD advisor - I need Help
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applepie can you give us an explicit example of this "tone" you are talking about in her emails?
It might help us understand what you mean by her being negative, demanding and hyper critical.
I have a huge problem with anyone attempting to control me so it would be interesting to see an example.

What are PhD supervisors for?
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What sort of thing are you asking for advice on?

Any reformed night owls that have become larks?
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The owl pattern will stop when you get a job which requires you to be in the office by 9am or when you have a baby or get a dog.
For now, I wouldn't worry about it and just go with whatever helps you be productive.

Unable to get into a decent PhD program - 4 years now
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Quote From k_seeker:
Bachelors in IT
M.Sc in IT Management.

I started a job in a university. Always thought I wanted to do corporate work. Eventually I liked academia for its research and applying research ideas into teaching. For the first 2 years I was trying to switch back to an industry IT job. However for the past 4 years I have been applying for PhD programs in software engineering, computer science, HCI and IT but no luck (my thesis was on gamification). I've tried for funded programs in UK, Finland, Norway, Germany and Australia but nothing.

I am now applying for programs again but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've presented two papers in THE top conference for software engineering. I have had my cover letters and applications reviewed by several friends and peers. To improve my programming knowledge, I am self teaching different programming languages and statistical analysis tools. I've run out of self-esteem, self-confidence and patience.

Just look to get any advice or pointers.


From years of personal experience, I can assure you that age is not an issue in IT or software in either industry or when looking for PhD positions. I have worked with many people of all ages including those in their 50s and late 60s. I honestly have no idea why people with no experience keep perpetuating this nonsense.

I am going to hazard a guess that your grades are the issue.
You don't appear to have an honours degree in IT and your Masters is in management of IT and given you don't specify the grade I assume it wasn't either merit or distinction.

Applying Phd with mediocre Masters with Dissertation + conference paper
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rewt. Given that you achieved a 2:1, I would suggest you are not well placed to give advice on what it takes to get a 1st.
You may well have got by simply by regurgitating information and developing good exam technique but you shouldn't project that onto those who achieve superb grades.

The original poster should be able to get a funded PhD position but it may take time and it may not be for the PhD position they really want. Grades are everything at this stage unless you are lucky enough to find nobody else applying.

My PhD supervisor is a journal snob and it is holding us back
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Quote From postdocholiday:
Instead of encouraging/pushing us to publish work during our PhD, he is extracting the best experiments with a view to creating some uber-paper that he's dreaming of. Can I just go over his head?


Probably not but your supervisor's attitude drives me insane.
Acacdemia is absolutely obsessed with league tables, Russell Group unis and impact factors rather than good research.
It is beyond farcical.