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Research already done by someone else - ever happened to you?
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Whilst obviously very annoyed to start with I'm not too bothered now. I reckon I can still publish a lot of the work especially because it's been done by a company who haven't published full details of what they did. It is however a little annoying that it's not entirely new...

Research already done by someone else - ever happened to you?
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I found out today that someone else (at a global company in my field) has basically already done the work I have been doing for the past 9-12 months. I can probably still get something out of what I've done due to minor differences/level of detail etc, but it's really frustrating that I have gone from having done work that is entirely new and revolutionary to doing something someone else has pretty much already done and trying to find some differences to make what I've done new.

Either way, aside from my obvious chance to have a grumble I thought I'd ask: Have you ever been caught out like this? What happened and what did you do. I'm not really looking for advice, I'd just be interested to hear what stories other users might have!

Fight or Retreat??
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Good advice from Pjlu there. I don't see how he is allowed to get away with it. The rest of the university need to grow some balls and actually stand up for their students and themselves. Even if what he claims is true was true his behaviour is unacceptable. Who is his line manager? Why is he not facing disciplinary proceedings? Definitely go talk to someone impartial at the university about it. Are you in the UK? If so this is relevant http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/ResolvingWorkplaceDisputes/DiscriminationAtWork/DG_10026670 if not then it's still slightly relevant.

Fight or Retreat??
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Quote From Mackem_Beefy:

I can relate to the above, having had a 'bullying' supervisor on my second post-doc (or at least no man management skills).

If others are aware of this person then you should at least look to changing to a new supervisor. Do this with as little fuss as possible then with new supervisor in place, just get on with your work.

I would stick to the bare minimum to get away from this person, such that you have nothing more to do with them. Universities will close ranks to protect their reputations, even where they have a bizarre or unstable character. Only use the full blown formal complaint path as a last resort.

Ian (Mackem_Beefy)


Ian, whilst I can see the logic of what you say here in that it protects the OP from harm there is the issue that (if what has been written here is true) this guy shouldn't be in his position. If everyone just quietly tries to avoid him because they don't want to make a scene he will be around for longer and cause more people problems. Sometimes it just takes one person to stand up and say "hold on, this is ridiculous, how is he still employed?" and everyone else joins in.

Fight or Retreat??
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Complain to your 2nd supervisor and to the head of department. Email your supervisor and explain that you find his behaviour unacceptable. Cause a fuss and make an official complaint. People not doing so in the past appears to have led to this. If what you say is true he should be sacked.

Stop thinking that verbal and physical abuse is acceptable from someone who in fact has a duty of care toward you. If you've worked with someone he didn't want you to then that's his look out, he shouldn't throw all his toys out the pram and act like a spoilt child.

Signing off from the forum
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Thanks Bilbo for your contributions, you'll be missed. Well done again on the PhD though and all the best for the future!

Fight or Retreat??
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Well if he physically assaults you then you go to the police!

Sounds like he is very much in the wrong. If you have a 2nd supervisor go and talk to them about it. Be frank and honest. After that you might want to talk to the head of department. Obviously you need to be careful so make sure that the people you talk to understand that you are talking to them in confidence and that they should not tell anyone else. They should be able to give you good advice. You may be able to change supervisor for example.

I'm happy doing my PhD
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Quote From Slizor:

I have a question: How much do people talk to their fellow students?

I live with one, and regularly go out drinking with, say, 6-7 more and have a football team with them (a lot of these things started because of me). I know my department wasn't very socialable at all before I joined, so I'm wondering what other people's experience has been.


I'm now a year in and have gradually made a good group of people who I chat to. It's taken a long while though. Setting up a society at the union helped a lot, as does the fact that there is a large doctoral training centre just up stairs doing very similar work to mine. This means there are 30 guys and gals just upstairs whom I have something in common with.

My actual room was not that social when I got here but it's getting better as the room fills a bit more. My row is fairly sociable now and have just started "my tomatoing" together to link our breaks up.

I think it's very important to have someone to talk to as a friend at the uni, it helps when you need to rant (or just do it on here!).

I'm happy doing my PhD
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Quote From sneaks:

you see I envy people with 'real jobs' (and I'm excluding any academic career from that category) - people who have jobs that finish at 5pm and they don't think about them until 9am the next day. BLISS!



Well I work 9-5 each day on my PhD and don't think about it outside of that. I know a number of people (and was one for a while) that have a job that involves working way more than 9-5. One of my best friends used to work 8-6 every day with 15 minutes for lunch and then often worked at the weekend too. This is my point - you can do a PhD working 9-5, you can do a job 9-5, you can work more than that in both too.

I'm happy doing my PhD
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Nice to see my thread has resurfaced! I stand by my original thoughts, i.e. all jobs have frustrations. It does seem that the stress at the end of the PhD is the most common cencern however. I'm only a year in and am trying to write a couple of papers, and whilst it can be frustrating, I've actually found it less stressful than "real jobs".

How much did you know before starting your PhD?
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Inferiority complex is massively common in PhDs, try not to develop one now. The guys in their thirties will be looking at you thinking "Balls, that guy/gal is young, their going to have so much more energy and commitment than me, everyone will just think I'm an old fogie trying to do a PhD at this age".

Never, EVER, compare your PhD or your situation to anyone else's. For a start you won't know exactly what their situation is and secondly it doesn't matter a jot. Just focus on your work (which you still have 3+ years to do!), try to enjoy it and remember you wouldn't have been selected to do it if you couldn't manage it.

How much did you know before starting your PhD?
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I really wouldn't worry if I were you, the first few weeks tend to be filled with tedious admin anyway and you have plenty of time to get into your subject matter. You will have better access to resources when you start and the whole "background reading" thing will be easier. I came to my RA position (in engineering) from industry and did next to no background reading. I've found academia to move so slowly that it didn't really matter anyway.

Once you've started you will have a better idea of what is relevant anyway. As long as you generally understand the fundamentals of engineering (that you learnt at undergrad) you will be fine.

Neutrinos faster than light???
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http://xkcd.com/955/

I bet you £200 it doesn't pan out...

How important is home ownership to you?
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Quote From Caterpillar27:

Hi, I'm a joint home owner with my man. There are pros and cons...

PROS:
We now pay about £200 a month less than we would if we were renting a house the same as ours (and that is on a 10 year fixed rate - so secure for now).

The kids may have an inheritance.

We will be mortgage free in 10 years, so more money for us to spend on what we want :)

We can do what we want to the house (as long as we work with planning permission if needed, etc)

CONS:
We may have to sell the house to pay for our care when we're older.....

We have to repair and maintain the house ourselves.

Moving is REALLY expensive


I have to say that we first bought a house together 17 years ago, when I was 18, so we are in the lucky position of actually having some equity, which helps! I think both renting and buying can have benefits.

Caterpillar x



Congratulations, you seem in a good situation. I think one big reason though is that you bought 17 years ago. The market is completely different now, with prices sky rocketing and mortgages far harder to get for new home buyers. I think many people are simply financially better off renting nowadays than they would be buying. If you can become mortgage free then you suddenly have a LOT more money to spend! People my age and younger (26) have it a lot harder, what with the global financial situation. You must be glad you bought when you did (up)

How important is home ownership to you?
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Where I live, to buy the house I live in now would cost approaching £300,000, maybe £265,000 if we were really lucky. The rent is £850 per month. The INTEREST payments for the mortgage would be around the same if not slightly more, PLUS once you buy you have to pay for: Building's insurance, Boiler/Heating repairs, other household repairs and you are tied to living there until you can sell it, at which point you need the property value to have gone up by more than the two lots of agents fees of a few thousand pounds (when you bought it and when you sold it) plus inflation (very high at the moment!) to make money on it in a market where the price is not going up steadily and may actually decrease.

Why spend all that money and take such a big risk? We could buy a smaller house, but why live somewhere less nice? People say renters are "burning money" but if the interest only repayments are near enough the same as the rent would be then actually you are probably "burning" less money than someone with a mortgage, plus you can put all those savings you would've spent on the deposit into high interest savings accounts and make money off them.

We have an obsession in this country with buying - and sometimes it's a good choice, there are a few benefits - but loads of people feel an obligation to buy when it really makes no sense.