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Changing discipline - following a career in cognitive neuroscience
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Is anyone working in this area that could help?

Second-year slump or something more serious?
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I said it was common to experience the issues described, not common to suffer anxiety and depression because of it. I only know two students that have seen a counsellor - one as a direct result of the PhD and the other due to a personal issue.

Of course everyone can find fault with some things, but most students I know are happy with their PhD, supervisors and university overall.

Second-year slump or something more serious?
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I think it is a bit problematic if something like that is seen as normal. In my opinion it isn't. I'm not a UK student but I know at least 30 PhD students (all the people from my old universities and the new one I'm now working) and none of them has major problems with their supervisors. It might comfort people to hear something like that or encourage them to pull trough but if seeing the university counselor (I never ever heard of something like that before I visited this site) is considered as a common experience, then something is going terribly wrong. The majority of people I know enjoy their PhDs most of the time, don't suffer from mental health problems and so on and I think that's how it should be, despite the fact that there are of course sometimes difficult periods. A PhD does not come easy.


Pretty much every student/person I know has had some sort of issue with their supervisor/manager.

Many managers and supervisors don't have formal training and many never get any feedback or act upon it when they do get it, so it's not really surprising.

Plus, for some students fresh out of undergrad or from different international backgrounds, managing a supervisory/managerial relationship is a new experience.

Furthermore, it's not unique to this forum. It's a common issue with PhDs discussed worldwide - I'm surprised you have never heard of it before.

Second-year slump or something more serious?
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I know what you mean, sometimes it is just a case of letting stuff go, because it can just be personal preference. For example, I wouldn't particularly care if my supervisors were late for meetings but it would really bug me if they came to see me whilst I was eating lunch, or when I have just arrived at the office. I could also produce a list about all the things my supervisors do that I find odd (shout across rooms, emails all hours of day/night and weekends, expects stuff done immediately...) but these aren't really things anyone is going to tackle - it's just this person's style.

I think if you felt like you were making progress with your work you would feel better - this what you need to address with your supervisors really. I would try again with them with this, speaking to someone else to try to frame your research first if you need to, and see what difference it makes. You need a plan to work towards - for your research and for your thesis chapters and papers.

Second-year slump or something more serious?
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Ok, first of all, what you are describing is pretty normal, not acceptable, but just a common experience.

It's common to have issues with supervisors like you mentioned and it's common not to have many results yet. Rationale can always be found from the literature later...

I don't think you need to think about quitting just yet - first of all, you need to rectify the situation, and you have two options:

1. Arrange a formal meeting with your supervisors, tell them what support you need and state how you want them to give it. Make sure everything is written down and mutually agreed. Give them a chance to follow through with their agreed actions. Tell them you are considering quitting if you want - the honesty may help.

2. Speak to your head of year/pastoral carer and see what they advise.

Personally I recommend you take the supervisor route first, because they may not take kindly to 'interference' from other academics.

Does it matter?
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And today, a PhD student in their 4th year has decided not to continue with the experiments to finish the work needed for another paper, so my supervisor said if I finish this last bit off, I can be first author. Pretty unfair if you ask me, but then the student has had the opportunity to do it so...

Does it matter?
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Different labs have different protocols for this. As a postdoc, I have submitted abstracts to conferences as first author even though none of the work was mine at all, but my supervisor told me to do this as I would be carrying on with some of the work.

There is some valid argument about the person that will be writing the paper and submitting to the journal should be first author, since this takes a lot of time (as I'm sure you know).

not submitted thesis - PhD withdrawal
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Sorry to hear this.

To try to find a job you could try adding your PhD time on your CV as 'research assistant' or something similar. You will need your supervisor to agree to this though if they are providing a reference.

This might be easier than explaining that you started a PhD but didn't finish it.

Bear in mind that your supervisor might not have your best interests at heart if they are recommending you publish - they want the publications for their career as well. If you want the publications though then obviously write them.

Oxbridge Masters application from lower tier university
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Possibly if you get a first. Apply anyway. Plus, if you're paying, masters are fairly easy to get on to.

How to support a PhD during writing up
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For me personally I just wanted to be left alone to get on with it and I asked people not to contact me or invite me anywhere, and I booked time ahead to see people on my one day off a fortnight... This was easy for me as I didn't have a partner though.

I'm not sure anyone but him will know what he wants.

Problem(?) with MSc supervisor
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Next time, pick her up on those points - don't rely on email. Ask her face to face what she thought of it and whether she can answer those questions. Don't say you suspect she hasn't looked at things, but say you would like some specific feedback.

Advice - DProf or PhD
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I think you generally need a PhD to progress in academia because you may need to supervise PhD students and this might be difficult if you don't have that research background.

Missed grades but still got into PhD?
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I think as long as you miss it only slightly you will still get in.

Waiting for the results of my PHD qualifying exam
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I'm sure they will work out the questioning, so don't worry. When do you find out whether you have passed?

Postdoc exemption for graduated more than 5 years
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I would just try at this stage to use your university lecturer position as the exemption - they might just be asking to cover themselves anyway and it might be fine.