Hi guys and girls,

I am re-formating my bibliographical list and I have cited a Van Wienter, a Von Letar and a Der Maruapian in my thesis. In the bibliographical list do I place them under V, V and D respectively? Or this is not the case? Also, I have a Müller. Do I place Müller after a surname starting with Mu[...] or before a surname starting with Mu[...]? And a Sørensen. Does Sørensen go before or after a surname starting with So[...]? Thanking you.

the van, von and der should be lower case and should be ignored for alphabetical listing in a bibliography.

I'm not sure about surnames deviating from the usual English letters; I would just put Sørensen after the other surname beginning with SO.

Thanks mate, but I am even more confused now. Harvard system says one lists these surnames under V, V, D. If you search on google for 'harvard system van von der'; the pdf on the first result. No idea what is right and what is wrong any more.

My doctoral thesis used lower case van and ignored it. So van Strangelove under S. my references tried as best as possible to follow APA.

I also would treat letters with extra bits to come after standard letters.

What every you do, be consistent ;/)

The German ü is a contraction of ue, so Müller should be placed where Mueller would go.

The Danish/Norwegian ø should be treated as a letter that comes after z when sorting alphabetically, so after So[...].