Exactly Jep, you are a star. Another miserable thread where the poster is more bothered with the damage to the a few pounds worth of computer wire than the life of a sweet child..I thought she was going to talk about the harms to the child when I first seen it..

God knows whats wrong with you guys.. I am not even looking at this forum anymore. Thats all my eyes can endure ...God Bless

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Sorry to bother again for which I apologize.. I am going to take a long vacation from this forum due to the amount of b******s I have received despite being so sincere for what I was advocating..
I no wonder now why there are only a few preaching dr here..

@Stressed Please read the full article. There is just an excerpt which I have taken from Wikipedia.
For all those who have preconceived about lectureship...

In the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge it is important to distinguish between University Lecturers, who hold a position equivalent to lecturers in other UK universities, and college lecturers. Lectureships at the College level are typically part-time, temporary positions involving teaching duties alone; usually their holders are graduate students or have recently completed a PhD. Those who hold permanent positions in Colleges are Fellows, a position which is usually combined with a University Lectureship, Readership or Professorship. Colleges also appoint Junior Research Fellows, whose position is full-time but limited in tenure (typically three years) and non-renewable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecturer

And there is same kind of profile for nearly top 10 universities as I do go at partner universities to collaborate research..

Goodbye and spend the rest of your lives in peace...

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Yes, I do remember that. I did not like bewildered's approach of using quotations and disgusting gesture towards me. Plus some people bathed it in that color to satisfy some identity misconceptions. I personally said nothing against bewildered except the overwhelming workload some people have to unwillingly cope. I do not even know the Kbean. I think it's one of the problems she is facing...I am even a bigger fan of yours as you seem to have an enormous memory and liked your blacksmith's approach 'Hitting the iron whilst it's hot' Why the hell people at this forum cannot absorb/neglect something which strikes against their own preconceived ideas. I was telling a profound example of teaching practice at one of the prestigious institute after Cambridge. Go and check the admin websites yourself. I will not tell your more about the department to keep the remainder of the privacy.

It was my day off anyway doing gardening and using laptop in the shade..

I even have that document in front to support what I had been saying all day. Someone who do not even have basic manners and used rubbish with quotations do not deserve a lecturer's post in the first place. Plz Go and check your staff websites or contact the payroll section..

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Keenbean, It's 5-10k research incentive not per student. @bewildered you will def get a pay rise when you will in a position to independently supervise PhD students..no need to use foul language. I did not mean to take this simple discussion to a full time argument. Good luck with your lectureship. There is a difference in active/passive research.

One more thing, I am in one of the top 5 UK universities not like the ones you are familiar with where you are loaded like mules..

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@Jep Do you mean 4% of 40k which is 1600. My university pays between 5-10k on top of normal salaries.
Maybe the lecturer's profiles are more stringent these days compared to a few years back where performing research duties were not on the agenda. But again, I know 2/3 young lecturers who still waiting for the green signal to supervise postgrads. it is clearly written on the staff website that once they do that their salary will boost up by the above amount..

I have checked forum job website and basic lecturer's jobs do not specify research duties...other than attending workshops on research methods..

@bewildered Clearly teaching and doing research(supervising) are two different jobs. That's why we have research assistants. If research duties are demanded then the pay incentive is already included in the pay.
There is no such thing as a free ride..

Final thought, If there are no bonuses than why supervise?

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@stressed. Well, the argument was regarding the research incentives...not about the jobs :-x Certainly, I am not the twister. Jep told you it's like 60hrs per every student. Hence, simple calculation 5x(£35x60)=10.5K
If still in doubt, check the original poster's title!

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@stressed, Ask Jep she is an academic, you cannot supervise straightaway as a newly employed lecturer. You need academic experience and during first 3-4 years most of the lecturer's only teach foundation or first year. I think you copied a job profile of a senior lecturer or a reader or perhaps of a professor....? The research incentive + basic salary must have been computed if that was strictly in job description. Academic pays are very much standardized these days so you can get that incentive even at your own university. No need to come here.

I am sorry to hear that Eska. I was very much in doubt when I first heard about the nature of your presentation. It was not very technical and seemed intimidating. However, you have a very good reason now to even improve your research and yourself academically. They can't even slow you down if you are unstoppable.

I do not agree as research incentives is a fact. All academics are not necessarily research supervisors as well.
It is not in their job description, well at least at my university. I can send you a link clarifying that if you wish.
Yes, it is true that funds go through the central accountability system but have to return to the department accounts department for expenses like books, software etc etc..these accumulate in supervisors own accounts or the research group's to be dispersed where and when needed..

I do not know about that Mardan but they stand just below politicians in terms of expenses claims. I knew a supervisor who used student research funds to get all the latest books from Amazon and student herself never had a chance to even have a look at those. Poor student has to use his monthly salary to buy those books...pathetic isn't.

They get a pay incentive between 5-10k and are regarded as academics actively involved in research. Plus, the improvement in RAE rating attracts more funding from private and gov agencies. Some of the research funding drawn specifically for students goes towards their own luxuries like a highly refurbished staff room, field trips etc..

I think it depends on what level of expertise you want to achieve. Try Wikipedia if you want to become an expert at a later stage. There are also good links at the bottom of most statistical estimation theories etc..
At package level like SPSS(which I never used) I assume you will gain expertise at the user interface level, like how to enter the data and what estimate you are interested in etc..Again, I am not SPSS expert so my knowledge at that package level is limited..