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Overview of Zena85

Signup date: 17 Nov 2018 at 7:35am

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Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From eng77:
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Thank you very much

What kind of support can I expect from the Supervisor, Department, and University - MRes in Photog

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

I agree with pm133, they are all different. My friend and I have the same supervisors but I have a really bad relation with my supervisor but my friend took a good advantage of them. You would think it is my fault which I agree on because I did not except to publish my paper in his name as a first author and that made him angry.
You need to set rules with your supervisor, agree on a weekly meeting. Agree on recording your meetings with your supervisor or find another way to document your meetings with them. Keep your relation as shallow as you can, because they will try to be close friend with you to know your weak points and then use them against you like my supervisors did. I had emails document everything and that is how I filied a complaint against them and they were really annoyed because I exposed them to university.
Hopefully, you will have a good experience that most of us in this forum.
Good Luck

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From pm133:
Zena85, did you ensure you had some good referees before you initiated your formal complaint?
If you didn't, this could get quite difficult for you.

Yes, I do. Only one works for academia as a post-doc and two for oil company with many years of experience.

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From bewildered:
Safest way to make sure you can't sue, while still providing a factually accurate reference.

I am sorry but I could not get what you mean

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Would you please expand on "I suspect HR advice would be not to go beyond that"

Quote From eng77:
. I wish all the best.

Thank you very much

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From bewildered:
It's not illegal to give a bad reference - that's a myth. References have to be factually accurate. I would imagine someone will be willing to confirm dates of study and the award of a PhD but given the complaints, I suspect HR advice would be not to go beyond that.

You are right , it is not. However, I have the right to access my reference and I can sue them if I see they wrote something bad about me. but as tru said, they can do it in another way not through the refence.

Would you please expand on "I suspect HR advice would be not to go beyond that"

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From rewt:
What sort of job asked specifically for your supervisors name?

Is their a head of grad students in your department, head of your research group or any academic you have worked for? A would try to get some form of written reference and offer that. You could also contact HR and they might get you a terse bare bones reference,

Hello , the job is a post-doc in a university and when I was filling the application they were asking for where I finished my PhD and teh name of the supervisor.
I contacted the Head of deartment but he is my supervisor and being complained about so he does not reply to my email. I contacted the stodent co-ordinator and he does not reply to my email too.

Advise:Looking for a job and they request the name of my supervisor?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Hello
I filed a complaint against my supervsiors and the university issued an official apology letter for my poor experience as a PhD student and for the wrong comments my supervisors made.
When I am trying to apply to some jobs they request the name of my supervisor. I do not want to put any of them but how can I got out of not putting any of their names?
Some would say I should ask the head of department, he is one of my supervisors who got involved in the complaint because I exposed lots of corruption within the institution. He was so annoyed of me that he banned me from using the computer lab, so yes I would not trust him as a reference too.
Any other ideas please. Thanks in advance

I completely fucked my supervisors and got an apology from the university

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From oasis67:
Congratz for achieving this.

I dont even understand how those kind of people in low social skills can find an academic position in a good university.

Thank you and sorry about what you went through. Honestly, I have no idea. I think they get arrogant and show off. Everytime I question my supervisors, they tell me we supervisod more than 20students and they all finished successfully so you should not question us. But they had no idea about what they say, they know what to say but they do not know exactly anything about the subject matter. When I filed the complaint I know I am going into war but I knew I will win. Because I talked with the advisors and with the student co-ordinator and they were really annoyed of my supervisors emails.

And yes, therapy helps. I took some and mediate for a while to relax the anger inside me. Thinking you live in UK, you will find a high standard people in a high standard institutions but it is bullshit.

I completely fucked my supervisors and got an apology from the university

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From eng77:
It is good that you have achieved this. But be ware that many complaints end in trash. Do not assume this is the happy end for each complaint. I do not support the behaviour of keeping calm and not to complain, but anyone who complains should be careful and should not expect too much.

I achieved this because I didn’t do anything wrong. My supervisors including the head of the department and also my supervisor were assholes. Everyone knows that even the university but they are bringing fund to the university. Otherwise, the university would get rid of them after they issued the apology letter. I filed the complaint before my viva, and I agree it was a crazy thing to do but it was either this or I sue them which I could have done. So, I took the cheapest thing. The apology letter doesn’t change anything for me but definitely fucked them up, there is even parts where they say they were not wrong but they apologised .

I completely fucked my supervisors and got an apology from the university

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From tru:
Congratulations on a good outcome for your complain, Zena85. It must feel very satisfying getting that apology from the university.

and you will feel pretty alone too because nobody wants to be associated with the "troublesome" person.

Thank you for your comments but I don’t agree on this point. I found someone who was so kind to help me with my thesis, checking the English and if the story make sense. He also helped me with my paper and was happy to have his name as a co-author because he wrote the abstract and structured it with the conclusion.
There are very good people that will help you to fight your war and win it. Just open your heart and don’t stop at one asshole that you stumbled upon, don’t look at the half empty of the glass. Good luck to you and I wish you all the best to win your war

I completely fucked my supervisors and got an apology from the university

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

I filed a complaint against my supervisors for stating in my thesis submission that I received support more than most PhD students in the department and that I am rushing to completion. They forgot that everything was documented by emails.
My supervisors never tried to help me with my research or support me with constructive feedback or regular meetings but they were desperate to publish my research, specially the first one in his name as a first author. He even dared to threaten me and tell me I have to choose between my PhD and publication. Because this was oral threat, no one wanted to believe someone with this position would say that. But I managed to kick him out of the co-authorship. He doesn’t want to be involved in my publication after I exposed the other two to the university. I have emails show their lack of support, their poor feedback.
The university acknowledged that and apologised in their behaviour without taking serious action against them. It’s bit annoying but I replied that I was hoping the apology will come from them and I am hoping this letter will pass to them and stays in their file for future reference.
I got this letter after 8 months and I was emailing the complaint department on regular basis until I got it.
I know they did not mention everything specially the publication (aside from the threat to prevent them from publishing anything from my research) but I am happy with this letter. It’s not a big deal but the university knowable now what kind of people they are.
For anyone who is suffering from his supervisor, don’t. File a complaint and fuck your supervisor, that will teach them a lesson to not underestimate you. Their arrogancy and thinking they are above the law should stop by your complaint.
All the best

After the complaint, what should I do if the university doesn’t take an action?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

I agree with most of you had said. However, my supervisors are British/English which o don’t think the university will take any action against them.
I am working on a paper for publication and another staff in the university helped me with the writing and we both are authors on the paper. I am sure my supervisors will be really angry if the paper got accepted and published specially the primary told me he want to publish it in his name as a first author and I refused which was the main issue with my supervisors as they supported him in his decision.
Regarding the academic reference, I do not need /want one, and it’s not a mandatory thing for getting a job. If it’s , I have friends can provide me with it.
There is no time line for the complaint, and I will move on once the paper is published.
I really appreciate everyone’s comments, it was really helpful to me.
Good luck to everyone

After the complaint, what should I do if the university doesn’t take an action?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From LilyRachel:

Quote From rewt:
[quote]Quote From LilyRachel:
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Well, yes. You have to try. You have to assume that the university is not completely morally corrupt and actually wants to ensure they provide a safe place to work, therefore if you don’t alert them to the problem, they’ll never know. And once you’ve alerted them to the problem, it is their responsibility to investigate and then respond accordingly. The person who has gained their PhD under a bully has already lost a considerable amount. Punishment doesn’t even come into this anyway, I don’t see how lodging a formal complaint is not constructive. We shouldn’t be blaming victims for not speaking out for fear of making their situation even worse. And if the supervisor is afraid of losing something, then maybe they should have thought about that before they bullied and harassed their students.

The university cares more about money, and it’s well known the our department makes 40% of university funding. So, even if I am not the first student to file a complaint, there is the matter of funding they keep their heads down.

After the complaint, what should I do if the university doesn’t take an action?

Zena85 28 posts
5 years ago

Quote From rewt:

Quote From LilyRachel:
It is SO important to hold a university to account for their actions, sometimes the safest time to do that is once you have left. This is definitely not a case of getting “vengeance”!! I’m a bit shocked that anyone would think that :S

So you think you can hold an organisation to account by complaining to the same organisation?

You are right, the safest time to complain is when you leave because you have nothing to lose or to gain. I have a lot more sympathy for people suffering under supervisors before they have finished because they have so much to lose. But once you gain the PhD, you have nothing to lose and the supervisor has everything to lose. I respect that you are trying to prevent someone having a similar situation but seeking a punishment, is vengeance. If the war on drugs has proven anything, it is that rehabilitation is far better than punishment, therefore being constructive should be the first option.

Again if you haven't graduated, I completely support you in any university procedure.

I am going to graduate in three weeks but I got awarded my PhD in April which is after my complaint by five months. My supervisors were really annoyed when I filed the complaint and one of them is the head of the department as a revenge he prevented me from using the computer lab which is an open facility to all PhD students. He banned me from using the computer lab because I filed the complaint against him. I told the complaint department about that and they didn’t do anything. I want to publish a paper but the reviewers asking me for more work to be done but I couldn’t do that. My examiners were nice during my viva but that doesn’t matter as I do not have any publication. It’s not revenge for me, it’s to get justified that what they did is wrong and what they did will be prevented in the future